Ep121: Leaving Monasticism – Thupten Phuntsok

In this interview I am joined by Thupten Phuntsok, Buddhist teacher who, after 21 years as a monk in the Gelugpa order, disrobed to live the life of a lay person in New York City.

Phuntsok describes his childhood in Haiti, and the awakening of his desire to become Christ-like and dedicate his life to spiritual contemplation. Phuntsok shares his subsequent explorations in Western Esotericism, Indian yoga, and Tibetan Buddhism including studies under Rato Rinpoche and Geshe Lobsang Tharchin.

Phuntsok also shares his views on the dysfunctions of modern sexuality, the scholastic emphasis of his Gelugpa training, the 6 Yogas of Naropa, and reveals the surprising reasons why after two decades he chose to leave the monastic life behind.

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Topics include:

00:00 – Intro 
00:49 – Childhood spiritual leanings 
03:21 – Why Phuntsok did not become a Catholic priest 
04:46 – Christian vs Buddhist monasticism 
06:13 – Interest in reading and meeting Kyongla Rato Rinpoche 
09:50 – What does it mean to be Christ-like
12:46 – Tonglen and substitutionary atonement 
13:55 – Studies with Rato Rinpoche, the Himalayan Institute, and Rosicrucianism
19:31 – Meeting Sermey Khensur Rinpoche Geshe Lobsang Tharchin
23:55 – Social context, Hinduism & Buddhism
25:26 – Phuntsok’s daily practice
27:24 – Daily esoteric practice of Rosicrucianism  
31:00 –  States of high concentration and the lack of masters 
34:45 – Ordination as a Buddhist monk 
40:28 – Family opinion on Phuntsok’s ordination 
42:34 – Struggles as a monk 
49:22 – Sexuality and celibacy 
51:52 – Modern sexuality is dysfunctional, multi-generational trauma 
55:22 – Analysis of dysfunctional sexuality
01:02:50 – How did Phuntsok arrive at this view?
01:21:31 – Why Phuntsok didn’t live in a monastery 
01:30:00 – Doctrinal education under Geshe Lobsang Tharchin
01:39:05 –  – 6 Yogas of Naropa and sacrilegious views on tantra 
01:43:49 – Disrobing as a monk after 21 years 
01:50:23 – Out of touch with people 
01:57:43 – Teaching activities 


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Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James

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