Ep250: When Meditation Goes Wrong - Dr Willoughby Britton

Dr Willoughby Britton is an Associate Professor at Brown University, the Director of Brown’s Clinical and Affective Neuroscience Laboratory, and founder of Cheetah House which provides support to those experiencing meditation-related difficulties.

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Dr Britton recounts her unusual childhood interest in consciousness, why a friend’s suicide drove her to meditation, and how a psychedelic peak experience changed her view of the world.

Dr Britton considers the overlaps between spiritual experience and mental illness, why deconstructing the sense of self in search of enlightenment can lead to lasting psychological damage, and questions if experiences of fear are a necessary part of the meditative path.

Dr Britton also covers the neurobiology of attention, reveals the hidden religious messaging woven into mindfulness techniques such as Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR), and shares how she deals with the negative responses from meditation enthusiasts towards her work.   


00:00 - Intro

01:15 - Dr Britton’s upbringing and early interest in consciousness

03:58 - Friend’s suicide and a life crisis 

05:02 - Powerful high dose psychedelic experiences

08:46 - Influence of peak experiences 

09:28 - Operative mechanism of Dr Britton’s epiphany

11:04 - Is redefinition of the self necessary for awakening?

11:50 - What is the ‘self’?

13:31 - A caveat

14:19 - Many possible modifications to the sense of self and identity

18:18 - What do Buddhists really mean when they talk about no-self?

19:01 - Surprising disagreement between Buddhist sects 

19:48 - Lack on consensus about the end goal in Buddhism

20:47 - Awakening or mental illness?

24:01 - Cultural differences in what constitutes mental health

24:58 - Cultural influences and personal goals 

26:39 - When meditation goes wrong

28:35 - When no-self experiences lead to negative outcomes 

30:46 - The importance of connection 

32:14 - Strategic ambiguity of enlightenment

34:34 - The enlightenment fantasy

35:23 - Absorbing a world view from meditation instructions 

36:31 - How to assess your meditation practice

39:04 - Stealth Buddhism

40:31 - Hidden frames of meditation techniques 

41:37 - Metaphysics of MBSR 

45:18 - Market forces and religion as product

47:50 - Negative reactions to Dr Britton’s work

51:48 - Does Dr Britton’s work threaten meditators?

54:39 - Nasty emails and internet comments

56:08 - Is Dr Britton upset by the negativity?

57:31 - What is the goal of Dr Britton’s work?

59:51 - Why look for problems?

01:01:07 - How often do meditation related problems happen?

01:03:03 - Founding Cheetah House to help meditators in crisis 

01:04:29 - Is fear necessary on the spiritual path?

01:06:20 - The neurobiology of attention

01:07:43 - Attention and arousal 

0110:12 - The phenomenology and meaning of fear in Buddhist meditation

01:11:46 - Is fear part of the path?

01:13:10 - Buddhism doesn’t have its story straight

01:14:30 - The desire for a comprehensive world view 


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Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James

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