Ep338: Sacred Sufi Music & the Art of Ecstasy - Gerald Ilyas Klawatsch 2

Gerald Ilyas Klawatsch is a Sufi musician, music therapist, and founder of the international musical ensemble Ak Pirim.

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Ilyas presents the sacred music of Sufism, explains its various instruments and principles, and performs musical pieces live.

Ilyas tells stories of discipleship under his Sufi master, recounts profound moments of spiritual bliss, and reflects on the power of music for emotional healing.

Ilyas also explains the role of ecstatic trance in Sufism and reveals special breathing techniques to induce transcendent states.


00:00 - Intro 

00:47 - Combining spiritual life with the arts 

04:46 - Beauty as a quality of the Divine

07:37 - Sacred calligraphy

11:36 - Music as the main spiritual art

13:!6 - A Sufi creation story

16:32 - How Ilyas learned Sufi music

22:52 - Mystical drunkenness 

26:59 - Ney, the Sufi flute

32:03 - Performance: Ney flute

32:52 - A story of a Ney master

35:03 - Music and poetry

36:44 - Arabian maqam

38:51 - About the Oud 

40:42 - Performance: Oud

42:25 - Zikr 

43:41 - About the Bendhir 

44:06 - Performance: Bendhir

44:29 - Performance: Oud 

45:37 - Trance, ecstasy, and hyperventilation 

50:22 - Awakening the heart

53:08 - Two personal stories of Ilyas’ spiritual and music master 

59:53 - About the Rebâb

01:02:34 - Performance: Rebâb

01:03:46 - Music therapy

01:05:28 - Healing and personal expression

01:10:06 - A story of Ilyas’ music master 

01:12:55 - Shamanism and music

01:14:13 - Performance: Bendhir Sufi song

01:15:25 - Performance: Bendhir shamanic song

01:17:05 - About the Qyl-Qobyz, a shamanic instrument

01:18:28 - About the Çeng harp

01:19:43 - Performance: Çeng harp

01:21:08 - Where to hear more of Ilyas’ music


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